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- From: bubba@insync.net (Bill Garfield)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: Any way to fight the phone company?
- Date: Sun, 04 Feb 1996 16:40:10 GMT
- Organization: Associated Technical Consultants
- Message-ID: <3114d526.1154571@news.insync.net>
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- dhaire@gate.net (doug haire) wrote:
-
- >Marc Fuller (marc.fuller@vissgi.cvrti.utah.edu) wrote:
- >: As a former AT&T employee, and not a particular happy one, I can tell you
- >: your legal rights on this are nonexistent. If you want a conditioned (digital
- >: quality) line they expect you to pay for it. You may, however, tell them your
- >: having trouble sending faxes and get a better response. There is a good
- >: chance that your second line is a SLCC ( a frequency multiplexed line on the
- >: same pair of wires as your first) These often have problems with digital
- >: transmission.
- >
- >Arrgggggh!!!! Once again, we have the myth of the SLC as a poor facility
- >for data. The SLC is nothing more than digital carrier technology. If
- >properly optioned, it is *better* than having standard copper all the way
- >to your central office. I live 10 miles from my telco's CO and all three
- >of my lines are on an SLC. I get 31200/31200 connects (solid and stable
- >with rates of 3600+ cps on compressed files) over 90% of the time between
- >2 USRs (my spare line to my BBS). SLC's do not "often have problems" with
- >any modem connections and modems don't use digital transmission, they use
- >analog.
- >
- >I am a current (25 years) employee of AT&T.
-
- Your counter-argument is factually correct Doug, but as we've discussed
- in other forums, =YOUR= results, for the most part, do _not_ parallel
- those experienced by many others who are doomed (yes, doomed) to receive
- their telephone service via the ubiquitous Subscriber Loop Concentrator.
-
- In your particular case I think we've determined conclusively that the
- SLC serving you is fully integrated and served by a full digital office.
- While that scenario affords =YOU= the luxury of high performance phone
- service, the fully integrated SLC + digital CO combination is certainly
- more the exception than the rule out here in the trenches.
-
- Case in point: In metropolitan Houston, Texas, which experienced
- phenomenal growth of its many suburbs during the late '70s, the outlying
- residential suburbs (bedroom communities) are typically 30,000 to 40,000
- cable feet from the nearest switching office, which still for the large
- part are mostly 1A and a few scattered 2B analog engines. The 5E and
- DMS-100 offices are gradually coming along to replace the old switches.
- But even when an old analog office gets upgraded, the local practice is
- to accomplish the interface between the SLC and the new hardware with
- back-to-back D4 channel banks, leaving the old wire frame in the middle.
- Absurd? Yes, totally, but damnit, that's the way it's done. The "fully
- integrated" SLC doesn't exist in area code 713.
-
- Of course the deal-breaker for 28.8 is actually the analog switcher, but
- compounded by the SLC's A-to-D-to-A conversion ahead of the analog
- switch, we've negatively impacted the signal:noise ratio by what experts
- suggest to be approx 2 dB or more. Using the numbers provided us by
- Shannon's Law, the signal-to-noise ratio is one of the most important
- ingredients in the recipie for achieving 28,800 bps.
-
- Yes, an analog switch + SLC is far preferable to a 30,000 ft copper loop
- with load pots, bridge taps, multiple wire guages, etc along its way,
- but why when the office is modernized is it seemingly *mandated* that
- the damned analog wire frame be allowed to remain in the middle of
- otherwise digital services? This mindset prevails, not just in SWB
- territory. Ask around.
-
- Your own situation is very unique, Doug. You're one of the lucky ones.
-
- For most of us who receive our phone service from a neighborhood SLC it
- means that we're multiple cable MILES from the switch and that switch is
- most likely analog, and if not, it still has an old analog wire frame
- ahead of it. It also means that we are *NOT* going to achieve 28.8k
- performance out of our V34 modems, period. I guess we're all just going
- to have to move to W. Palm Beach. :-)
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